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  9/22/2008 11:18 am

A Sense of Resentment Amid the 'For Sale' Signs

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The bailout doesn't smell right to the people of Manassas Park, where the foreclosure signs are as common as azaleas. They know all about bad debt here. This is a terrain of oversize dreams, misjudgment, financial calamity -- and empty houses. "Foreclosure. Foreclosure. Foreclosure," said Ed Merkle, 58, as he pointed to the "for sale" signs lining his street.

But Merkle, a defense contractor, said he has lived within his means in an era of easy credit. He didn't take on a huge loan even when his bank encouraged him to dream bigger.

"I've been financially responsible with my own money. Why should I now be responsible for the fact that you were not?" he said.

This may be a Main Street bailout backlash in the making. The details of the financial crisis are still hard for most people to follow -- what with talk of exotic "derivatives" known as "credit-default swaps" and so on -- but the central fact of the matter hasn't been lost on anyone in this Northern Virginia community: The taxpayers are on the hook for the bad judgment of others.

And they say they don't like it. They didn't break it, but now they've bought it. Political leaders and financial titans say the bailout is necessary to save the economy, but on the ground, in such places as Manassas Park, people think that the bailout will reward the wrong people. There's a sense that too many folks bought houses they couldn't really afford, banks urged them on, common sense went on vacation, and now the grown-ups have to clean up the mess.

"If I spent more money than I have, I don't deserve to have somebody bail me out," said John Owens, 45, a developer who lives on Eagle Court, where three houses have gone through foreclosure.

The anti-bailout sentiment appears to cut across class lines. You hear it from one end of Manassas Drive, the main drag through town, to the other -- from the small, Cape Cod-style homes built with G.I. Bill money after World War II to the muscle-bound houses newly risen along the golf course.

"I'm worried that the taxpayers are going to wind up paying for all this," said Arlena Elbaraka, 38, who lives in the manicured neighborhood of Blooms Crossing.

"Who ends up losing from all this? Us, right?" asked Rogelio Benitez, 36, a home-improvement contractor who lives with his wife and six kids in a working-class neighborhood on the western edge of town.

"I'm not overextended," Merkle said. "I didn't buy a large home that I can't afford. I'm not behind on any of my payments. I'm not sure I want the government to take my tax dollars and buy someone else's house for them."

The comments suggest that the bailout could pose a stiff new challenge for presidential candidates and anyone else running for office this fall. The wisdom of the government's massive financial intervention hasn't been marketed to the masses. The nation's financial and political leaders are working round the clock to repair the shattered markets, and no one, from the White House on down, has spent more than a few minutes explaining to the American people why they're being asked to assume hundreds of billions of dollars of liabilities.

President Bush said little all week. Finally, in remarks in the Rose Garden on Friday, the president said, "These measures will require us to put a significant amount of taxpayer dollars on the line." All the rescue efforts combined may approach a trillion dollars.

In a press availability Saturday, standing alongside Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, Bush spoke to the concerns of "Main Street."

"You know, you hear them talking about Wall Street and Main Street -- well, this is Wall Street plus Main Street, and I'm worried about Main Street," he said. He recounted a conversation with Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. and other officials: "I said, what's it going to take to make sure Main Street doesn't get affected by the policies of Wall Street? And this is what they came up with, and this is a big ticket, because it's a big problem."

In Manassas Park and nearby communities in Prince William County, many people see the bailout as a violation of the basic rule that people and institutions must live within their means or face the consequences.

Kevin Newman, 42, knows how hard up people can get. He owns Ace Pawn, in a shopping center on Route 28 next to a newly vacant Checkers fast-food outlet. Newman spends his day lending money to people. He sees them at their most desperate. From a back room he pulls out a brand-new, sparkling Rickenbacker guitar that someone had gotten for his birthday and pawned just weeks later. His shop is filled with precious jewelry that people surrendered for cash. He had a customer -- he won't say who -- who pawned a Washington Redskins Super Bowl ring.

And Newman knows what it's like to be broke. He went bankrupt after a daughter was born prematurely and he faced $1 million in medical bills.

"I've been on both sides of the counter," he said.

Now, he never uses a credit card. If he can't pay for something out of his pocket, he won't buy it.

He instinctively doesn't like the bailout.

"I think our kids are going to be paying for it, and their kids are going to be paying for it, and probably their kids are going to be paying for it," he said.

Not far away, on Scott Drive, a side street off Manassas Drive, Charlie Crabill, 54, a landscaper, asks a common question in these parts: "Are they going to bail me out?" Crabill has benefited in one way from the mortgage meltdowns: He mows the lawns of about 70 houses in foreclosure, receiving a regular check from Fannie Mae.

Hours of interviews in Manassas Park turned up exactly one resident in favor of the bailout, a fellow in a Harvard T-shirt in a big house near the golf course. Richard Bejtlich, 36, who works in computer security for General Electric -- its stock jumped dramatically Friday when the government banned short-selling of financial securities -- says he's a libertarian and normally wouldn't support government intervention. But there's no other way at this point, he says, because we're in too deep of a hole and have been too profligate.

He recounts a conversation with a new neighbor who moved into a deluxe home:

"How did you afford that house?" Bejtlich asked.

"I don't know. I just signed," the neighbor said.

Prince William County is one of many ground zeros in the subprime mortgage crisis. Pick up a pamphlet on home sales in the county, and you will come across an ad saying "Foreclosures R Us!" Pictured are dozens of homes being sold for what seem like bargain-basement prices, some under $200,000. But there aren't many buyers -- because no one knows what anything is really worth, or whether the market is anywhere near bottom.

Exactly $180,000 -- about half the assessed value -- is what Paul Stinnett wants for his house, a Cape Cod under a 200-year-old white oak on Scott Drive. He's putting it on the market Monday. Painting the trim on the front door, Stinnett says of the bailout, "The last I heard it was going to cost the taxpayers a trillion dollars." He's not sure if the bailout's a good idea, but he does know the ultimate cause of the problem: "Greed. I think anybody can see that."

Ron Alphin, a home remodeler sitting on his porch and watching the Manassas Drive traffic roll by -- he's just a matter of feet outside the Manassas Park city line -- is flat-out against the bailout.

"The government got other problems they need to straighten out," he says. "They ain't going to help us a bit."

Jose Guzman, 18, says his Manassas Drive family has had personal experience with a disastrous mortgage. His mother, he says, snapped up a property down the street several years ago, only to be surprised when the mortgage proved adjustable, the interest rate rising so quickly that in two years the monthly payment went from $1,600 to $3,000. The bank foreclosed on that house.

Guzman points to a house for sale across the street.

"You know what they did? They actually just left, and let the bank take the house."

And this isn't even the hardest-hit part of the county. Woodbridge is worse, says Don Ratterree Jr., the real estate agent whose face and phone number can be found at the bottom of the "Foreclosures R Us" ads.

He puts the best spin on a bad situation: "It's a good buyer's market."

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I've been thinking a lot about this too.  There was all sorts of debate about whether to bail out homeowners, and lots of talk from the top about people who took on more than they could handle, should have known better, should have to sleep in the bed they've made, tax payers shouldn'e have to bail out those who didn't make prudent choices, etc.  Now all of a sudden, the big boys are in trouble and the government is jumping into save them at the taxpayers' expense. 

I understand that if we don't get our financial structure stabilized that the problems will increase and everyone will suffer - I just am having trouble reconciling that these big corporations get to have help, but regular folks were told to just deal with it.  Meanwhile, we've got foreclosures and short sales in our neighborhoods - people are losing their homes and everyone else's property values are being adversely affected. 

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It's a shame that others who are very good money managers should have to pay for others who aren't.   This has been  a disaster that those in the financial know-how have been cautioning would happen for a while.  Fools don't listen, do they?

Unfortunately, now they say if we don't do the bail-out, we could have another 'Great Depression'. 

Those who have been wise about money matters must be burdened with those who haven't.

Those in the banking industry took high-stake risks and encouraged people to buy homes without any down payment.  The credit card companies encouraged those who were spendthrifts to put themselves in more and more debt by obtaining more and more credit cards. 

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That's exactly how I feel, too.  How can we afford a $700 billion bail out, for people who got greedy and made bad business decisions. I understand why they think it's necessary but it's infuriating that people can cause this kind of problem and have no consequences.  Has anyone seen how much it would be to bail out bad mortgages?  I also have a problem w/ rescuing investors who bought properties and are now at a loss, and people who had to have their McMansions that they couldn't afford but it does affect everyone's property.



 
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I read this and almost posted it last night.  I understand peoples frustration that we shouldn't bail out people who got themselves into trouble when they were more careful. I was one of the careful ones. I used to work in finance and knew a little more than the average Joe when I purchased my home. But I have more of a problem with having to bail out Wall Street professionals than your average layperson.

Several years ago I wanted to take advantage of lower interest rates and refinance the 71K balance on my mortgage. I had incredible difficulty even finding somone who would give me a fixed rate product or even put forth the effort to do a loan in such a small amount. Every single one of them encouraged me to take as much cash out as possible and take advantage of my equity. My house went from a value of $84K 13 years ago to a high of $418K. So I was encouraged to take as much as $300K that I could "play with on Wall Street or invest in another way." I had one local mortgage lender laugh hysterically and tell me I don't do any loans under $350K. Another who tried to tell me why negative amortization was "a good thing." I had another argue with me when I told him I wanted a fixed rate product that I was "stupid." When I said "the Fed is going to be raising the interest rate a 1/4 percent every three months for the next two years." He told me "they would never do that because it would send the economy into a tail spin." When I told another that I didn't want to refinance every two years to get a new fixed rate she told me "The way the Jews got rich was on OPM, other peoples money." I FINALLY found my 71K loan with a small, local bank and even they did not want me to pay my fee's up front I had to have them rewrite the paperwork because they did it that way because "everyone finances their fee's and closing costs."

Now I was once a finance professional. I DID mortgage loans, so I knew when I was being fed a line of bull. But I wouldn't expect the average person, with no finance experience to know some of the things I know. I was trained to know these things. A lot of people put their trust in these people. They trusted them as professionals that reaasured them that the Fed would never raise the rates because it would put the nation "Into an economic tailspin" which it did. But these guys on Wall Street knew exactly what they were doing. They were using our economy like it was a Casino. They were pushing the envelope to see how much they could win for how long at other peoples expense. It was the biggest pyramid scheme to ever hit the country. I see a huge difference between the CEO of Lehman who will still have his mansion and beach house and the local plumber and lady that works in the school cafeteria who are losing a house they put a huge amount of sweat equity into. Not to mention the fraud that ran rampant in the mortgage industries with "straw" investors and scheisty real estate investment trusts.

There are no less than 11 houses on my street in bank foreclosure. Some with boards going up on their windows to keep out vandals. It puts a blight on the entire neighborhood. These are houses that were fixed up and improved by their purchasers that are sitting empty, with lawns unmowed. In the winter, when it starts freezing they will be attractive to homeless people who don't want to freeze to death. There will be no power or sewage facilities functioning so we will be dealing with human waste not properly disposed of.

Personally, I would much rather have my tax dollar bailing out the every day, hard working, blue collar families in my region that some corporate fat cats that take the company car and jet to their appointments. The Wall Street professionals have no excuse for their behavior except greed and the thrill of gambling with OPM. My neighbors were people that wanted the American dream of home ownership and trusted mortgage professionals that told them what they wanted to hear or encouraged them to take out equity to make home improvements or invest for their futures.

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