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What it Means to be a Liberal by Geoffrey R. Stone, a law professor at the University of Chicago, is the author of “Perilous Times: Free Speech in Wartime.”

1. Liberals believe individuals should doubt their own truths and consider fairly and open-mindedly the truths of others. This is at the very heart of liberalism. Liberals understand, as Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes once observed, that “time has upset many fighting faiths.” Liberals are skeptical of censorship and celebrate free and open debate.

2. Liberals believe individuals should be tolerant and respectful of difference. It is liberals who have supported and continue to support the civil rights movement, affirmative action, the Equal Rights Amendment and the rights of gays and lesbians. (Note that a conflict between propositions 1 and 2 leads to divisions among liberals on issues like pornography and hate speech.)

3. Liberals believe individuals have a right and a responsibility to participate in public debate. It is liberals who have championed and continue to champion expansion of the franchise; the elimination of obstacles to voting; “one person, one vote;” limits on partisan gerrymandering; campaign-finance reform; and a more vibrant freedom of speech. They believe, with Justice Louis Brandeis, that “the greatest menace to freedom is an inert people.”

4. Liberals believe “we the people” are the governors and not the subjects of government, and that government must treat each person with that in mind. It is liberals who have defended and continue to defend the freedom of the press to investigate and challenge the government, the protection of individual privacy from overbearing government monitoring, and the right of individuals to reproductive freedom. (Note that libertarians, often thought of as “conservatives,” share this value with liberals.)

5. Liberals believe government must respect and affirmatively safeguard the liberty, equality and dignity of each individual. It is liberals who have championed and continue to champion the rights of racial, religious and ethnic minorities, political dissidents, persons accused of crime and the outcasts of society. It is liberals who have insisted on the right to counsel, a broad application of the right to due process of law and the principle of equal protection for all people.

6. Liberals believe government has a fundamental responsibility to help those who are less fortunate. It is liberals who have supported and continue to support government programs to improve health care, education, social security, job training and welfare for the neediest members of society. It is liberals who maintain that a national community is like a family and that government exists in part to “promote the general welfare.”

7. Liberals believe government should never act on the basis of sectarian faith. It is liberals who have opposed and continue to oppose school prayer and the teaching of creationism in public schools and who support government funding for stem-cell research, the rights of gays and lesbians and the freedom of choice for women.

8. Liberals believe courts have a special responsibility to protect individual liberties. It is principally liberal judges and justices who have preserved and continue to preserve freedom of expression, individual privacy, freedom of religion and due process of law. (Conservative judges and justices more often wield judicial authority to protect property rights and the interests of corporations, commercial advertisers and the wealthy.)

9. Liberals believe government must protect the safety and security of the people, for without such protection liberalism is impossible. This, of course, is less a tenet of liberalism than a reply to those who attack liberalism. The accusation that liberals are unwilling to protect the nation from internal and external dangers is false. Because liberals respect competing values, such as procedural fairness and individual dignity, they weigh more carefully particular exercises of government power (such as the use of secret evidence, hearsay and torture), but they are no less willing to use government authority in other forms (such as expanded police forces and international diplomacy) to protect the nation and its citizens.

10. Liberals believe government must protect the safety and security of the people, without unnecessarily sacrificing constitutional values. It is liberals who have demanded and continue to demand legal protections to avoid the conviction of innocent people in the criminal justice system, reasonable restraints on government surveillance of American citizens, and fair procedures to ensure that alleged enemy combatants are in fact enemy combatants. Liberals adhere to the view expressed by Brandeis some 80 years ago: “Those who won our independence … did not exalt order at the cost of liberty.”

Consider this an invitation. Are these propositions meaningful? Are they helpful? Are they simply wrong? As a liberal, how would you change them or modify the list? As a conservative, how would you draft a similar list for conservatives?

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That is well done.   I posted the following awhile ago, but I think it might add to this discussion too:

 

http://www.sustainabilityinstitute.org/dhm_archive/index.php?display_article=vn451liberaled

<<<Liberal Isn't a Dirty Word; "conservative" Isn't Either

Everyone knows what a liberal is -- a person who wants to ruin the nation by taxing and spending with no restraint. Furthermore, that liberal spends the money on wasteful, unpatriotic projects like education and roads and the environment and helping the poor.

Everyone knows what a conservative is -- a person who wants to ruin the nation by cutting the taxes of the rich, raising the taxes of the poor, borrowing and spending with no restraint. The spending goes toward exorbitant weapons and subsidies to businesses owned by the sons or uncles or brothers-in-law of conservatives.

Those, children, are not the original definitions of these words. Once, not so long ago, they had completely different meanings, which, believe it or not, had nothing to do with taxing, borrowing, or spending. Here is what they meant, such a short time ago that my dictionary still lists them this way:

Liberal: generous, giving largely, as a liberal donor.

Liberal: free, not literal or strict, as a liberal interpretation of the Constitution.

Liberal: not narrow or bigoted; broad-minded.

Liberal: of democratic or republican forms of government, as distinguished from monarchies, aristocracies, etc.

Liberal: favoring reform or progress; specificallly favoring political reforms tending toward democracy and personal freedom for the individual.

You can see, by these meanings, that it once might have been rather fine to be a liberal. That's why conservatives keep changing the definition.

Here's how the dictionary describes them:

Conservative: tending to preserve old institutions, methods, customs, and the like; adhering to what is old or established; opposing or resisting change, as a conservative political party.

Conservative: moderate, prudent, safe, as a conservative estimate.

Conservative: one who wishes to preserve traditions or institutions and resists innovation or change.

It would seem by these definitions a fine thing to be a conservative too, at least when things are going well, when prudence is appropriate, when there are important values to be conserved. In fact, if you think about both these words in their original meanings, you see that a society needs both liberalism and conservatism -- a will to change what needs changing, a determination to keep what is worth keeping, and above all, as they say in the old prayer, the wisdom to know the difference.

Of course there lies the problem, wisdom, moderation, balance. Conservatism pushed too far becomes elitism, preservation of the privileges of the rich and neglect of or cruelty toward the poor. At the extreme conservatism becomes monarchy or fascism. Liberalism pushed too far is populism, the leveling of everything to the lowest common denominator -- and at the extreme, communism. The political spectrum bends back on itself to meet at its far edges. The biggest difference between fascism and communism is their rhetoric, not their policies, nor the misery of society under their rule.

Humanity has been divided between liberals and conservatives for a long time, and apparently always will be, in spite of persistent efforts by each side to convert the other. Science is even finding evidence that the difference is genetic. Those poor (liberals, conservatives) can't help themselves.

Thomas Jefferson, an outspoken early liberal, who fought constantly against the early conservative Alexander Hamilton, summed up the difference between the two in a thoroughly biased statement that sounds (to liberals) still accurate today: "Men by their constitutions are naturally divided into two parties: 1. Those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes. 2. Those who identify themselves with the people, have confidence in them, cherish and consider them as the most honest and safe, although not the most wise, depository of the public interests."

In pointing to trust, Jefferson is getting to the heart of the difference between liberals and conservatives -- where they put their trust. Conservatives trust the elite, not the unwashed unrich. They lean toward persuasion when dealing with bosses and toward force when dealing with ordinary folks. Make abortion illegal but not pollution. Require a Pledge of Allegiance but not a minimum wage. Jail outsiders who rob banks with guns, but not insiders who rob banks with fraud. Liberals lean exactly the other way. Constrain business, persuade the people. Put polluters in jail, but stop abortion through education and contraception, not through criminal sanctions,

For some reason it is conservatives more than liberals who like to turn the perfectly honorable label of their opponents into a dirty word. They wrinkle their noses when they say "liberal" as if to avoid an unpleasant smell. Though all is fair and often unsavory in politics, that's a shame, whichever side does it. It undermines clear thinking and social integrity to turn a good word into an epithet, to pervert its meaning, to condemn people for honest and well-considered beliefs.

Better to make the case for your side than to deride the other. Better to present reason and evidence about when and where liberalism and conservatism each have their place.

Donella H. Meadows >>>

 

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Well said, as usual. It's a shame how many conservatives have such twisted ideas of what liberals actually stand for. Somehow, wanting to help others, has become a bad thing. Being liberal is equated with being dumb and poor. Jefferson knew what he was talking about.
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>>> 1. Liberals believe individuals should doubt their own truths and consider fairly and open-mindedly the truths of others. This is at the very heart of liberalism.

This is because liberalism has no standards or values upon which to base their "truths," and why they're so easily discarded. It's also why liberals are so easily led by the nose by simply appealing to their emotions.

>>> Liberals understand, as Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes once observed, that “time has upset many fighting faiths.” Liberals are skeptical of censorship and celebrate free and open debate.

And yet, we've seen just the opposite. Liberals demeaning and openly attacking those who espouse a different point of view...from the Tea Partys...to Prop 8...to attacks on Fox News/Beck/Limbaugh/etc...all attempts to marginalize and silence opposition. This demonstrates quite clearly that liberals do celebrate free and open debate...as long as you agree with them.

>>> 2. Liberals believe individuals should be tolerant and respectful of difference. It is liberals who have supported and continue to support the civil rights movement, affirmative action, the Equal Rights Amendment and the rights of gays and lesbians. (Note that a conflict between propositions 1 and 2 leads to divisions among liberals on issues like pornography and hate speech.)

And yet it is these "tolerant and respectful" liberals who attack churches...who make death threats against the President...who physically and socially attack individuals for not supporting their agenda...etc.

>>> 3. Liberals believe individuals have a right and a responsibility to participate in public debate. It is liberals who have championed and continue to champion expansion of the franchise; the elimination of obstacles to voting; “one person, one vote;” limits on partisan gerrymandering; campaign-finance reform; and a more vibrant freedom of speech. They believe, with Justice Louis Brandeis, that “the greatest menace to freedom is an inert people.”

Liberals believe individuals have a right and a responsibility to participate in public debate...as long as they support the liberal agenda. If they don't, they're mocked and called "racists" or "homophobes." Or, like AlGore they simply refuse to debate at all or attack real people with real concerns like "Joe the Plumber," savaging him like a pack of "tolerant and respectful" piranha.

And yes, Liberals believe in "eliminating obstacles to voting"...like death...or being a real person. Democrats don't believe that having died or being a cartoon character should prohibit someone from voting for their candidate and they'll commit any level of fraud to get those "votes." If you're a conservative, however, that might be a problem...then they'll have to send out their jack-booted, club-wielding thugs to "gently persuade" you from mistakenly voting for the wrong party.

>>> 4. Liberals believe “we the people” are the governors and not the subjects of government, and that government must treat each person with that in mind. It is liberals who have defended and continue to defend the freedom of the press to investigate and challenge the government, the protection of individual privacy from overbearing government monitoring, and the right of individuals to reproductive freedom. (Note that libertarians, often thought of as “conservatives,” share this value with liberals.)

Unless you're "rich," of course...and then it's perfectly alright for liberals to take as much of your money as they like to spread around the "earned-nots" to help perpetuate their nanny-state. Or for the nanny-government to take over private business...to hire and fire private citizens and set wages. Liberals also support infinite detention and warrantless wiretaps...as long as it's a liberal who'd doing it, of course. Oh, and then there's the small bit about having the freedom to make your own decisions...like whether or not you want health insurance. After all, liberal nanny-government knows what's best for you and is all too happy to shove it down your throat. Isn't it great that liberals have such "respect" for individual rights?

>>> 5. Liberals believe government must respect and affirmatively safeguard the liberty, equality and dignity of each individual. It is liberals who have championed and continue to champion the rights of racial, religious and ethnic minorities, political dissidents, persons accused of crime and the outcasts of society. It is liberals who have insisted on the right to counsel, a broad application of the right to due process of law and the principle of equal protection for all people.

Unless you're unborn, of course, and then liberals believe that it's your mommy's right to dismember you and toss you away in the trash because you're inconvenient and she was too stupid to use birth control when she was banging a guy she forgot to get the name of. Oh, and then there's those silly Christians who liberals have decided that it's ok to mock and demean. They do, however, champion the rights of criminals, believing that pedophiles deserve light sentences and illegal aliens deserve free healthcare and free educations.

>>> 6. Liberals believe government has a fundamental responsibility to help those who are less fortunate. It is liberals who have supported and continue to support government programs to improve health care, education, social security, job training and welfare for the neediest members of society. It is liberals who maintain that a national community is like a family and that government exists in part to “promote the general welfare.”

Yes, indeedie...the perpetuation of a welfare state almost guarantees the votes of the people who are dependent upon it. And yes, liberals certainly do want to help "save the world"...they just want to do it with other people's money. They are, however, more than willing to contribute their "fffeeeeeeellllllliiinnggggsss."

>>> 7. Liberals believe government should never act on the basis of sectarian faith. It is liberals who have opposed and continue to oppose school prayer and the teaching of creationism in public schools and who support government funding for stem-cell research, the rights of gays and lesbians and the freedom of choice for women.

Sure...unless you're a Muslim...then it's ok to wear religious garb and pray in schools. The real truth is that liberals hate Christians and Christianity and will go to any length to try and marginalize them. They do, however, love their "right" to kill their children as a matter of convenience...which may actually be a good thing in the end as there will be fewer liberals to pass along their hypocritical and corrupt ideology.

>>> 8. Liberals believe courts have a special responsibility to protect individual liberties. It is principally liberal judges and justices who have preserved and continue to preserve freedom of expression, individual privacy, freedom of religion and due process of law. (Conservative judges and justices more often wield judicial authority to protect property rights and the interests of corporations, commercial advertisers and the wealthy.)

Especially pedophiles. Liberals want to get them right back out on the streets where they belong. Liberals also want to make sure that terrorists captured on the battlefield are read miranda and given their "Constitutional" rights as...er...not US citizens. They also want to "preserve your freedom of expression"...as long as it doesn't have anything to do with Christianity. And those liberal judges will go out of their way to take your ethnicity into consideration when tossing out the facts of a case.

>>> 9. Liberals believe government must protect the safety and security of the people, for without such protection liberalism is impossible. This, of course, is less a tenet of liberalism than a reply to those who attack liberalism. The accusation that liberals are unwilling to protect the nation from internal and external dangers is false. Because liberals respect competing values, such as procedural fairness and individual dignity, they weigh more carefully particular exercises of government power (such as the use of secret evidence, hearsay and torture), but they are no less willing to use government authority in other forms (such as expanded police forces and international diplomacy) to protect the nation and its citizens.

I guess that explains why Barry is going to such great lengths to weaken our national security, alienate our allies and pander to our enemies...because liberals believe that a weak US will make our enemies "like" us...and it's so very important to them that we be "liked." But I guess when they "weighed more carefully particular exercises of government power" they decided if a liberal was detaining prisoners without charges or trials, or torturing and abusing prisoners, or simply rendering them elsewhere to be tortured, then it was A-ok with them. Why let a little thing like hypocrisy get in the way of a skewed ideology?

>>> 10. Liberals believe government must protect the safety and security of the people, without unnecessarily sacrificing constitutional values.

Like the right to bear arms...freedom of speech...or the right to decide if you want health insurance. LOL!

>>> It is liberals who have demanded and continue to demand legal protections to avoid the conviction of innocent people in the criminal justice system, reasonable restraints on government surveillance of American citizens, and fair procedures to ensure that alleged enemy combatants are in fact enemy combatants. Liberals adhere to the view expressed by Brandeis some 80 years ago: “Those who won our independence … did not exalt order at the cost of liberty.”

Except when it's a lib, like Barry, who wants to spy on US citizens then it's ok. In fact, for Obamaniacs, it's probably more than ok. Why, they probably get a thrill running up their legs at just the prospect that Barry might care enough to listen in on their conversations. And about those "enemy combatants"...you know, the terrorists who were captured on the battlefield trying to kill US soldiers...the ones that liberals want read miranda when they're captured and given US Constitutional rights before being given a warm bed and tea while we ask them politely to tell us about their plans to kill US citizens and then tried in US civilian courts before letting them loose on US streets?...well, 'nuff said.

>>> Consider this an invitation. Are these propositions meaningful? Are they helpful? Are they simply wrong?

Um...simply wrong...although I doubt that many libs will be able to see clearly enough through their kool-aid infused haze to agree.

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>>> Well said, as usual. It's a shame how many conservatives have such twisted ideas of what liberals actually stand for.

"Twisted ideas" we get by watching and listening to liberals. Isn't that interesting?

>>> Somehow, wanting to help others, has become a bad thing.

Help away...we encourage you to do all you can...just don't take from ME so YOU can "help others." YOU give...and leave ME to give to whom I choose, not who YOU think I should choose.

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