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  9/21/2006 5:51 am

For those of you with older children, did you monitor closely what was watched on TV, assuming they watched tv in the first place?

This isn't a big issue for us yet, but it seems to me the stations such as Disney and cartoon type channels are so full of ads for "related products" - toys, food, dvd's etc that it is like a constant infomercial aimed at children.  While on the local stations (non cable - ABC, CBS, NBC) no matter the time of day, even during the news, they advertise their prime time shows, flashing images of violence (CSI style) and gore, sex, and sarcasm.  I really don't want either in our house, it just seems the only choice is no TV if you don't want your child exposed to it all.  I'm just curious what others do to limit it, if anything.  I guess my childhood of Saturday morning bugs bunny cartoon must have been filled with commercials for fruit loops & toys, so maybe it isn't as harmful as it appears and I'm just being overprotective with my first?

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Not only "monitored closely", but also strictly limited, from day one.

First because, as you so accurately point out, broadcast television is rife with advertising. Even when the content of the shows is unobjectionable, the advertising promotes materialism, greed, the fast-food culture, bad health habits, slangy language, and pert or discourteous behaviour.

Second because, as you also note, the optic nerve is a high-bandwidth neural highway directly into the brain. All those fast cuts, zooms, and flashing lights DO affect brain chemistry -- as anyone who has dealt with epilepsy can tell you without reading any research papers. And if you do read the research papers, they confirm it.

Third because, the choice of "no television" is a GOOD choice. Alternatives like playing in the park, dress-up and make-believe, climbing trees, helping with dinner and baking, roller skating on the sidewalk, bike-riding, playing with dolls, colouring, dancing, making music -- ALL are diminished by the amount of time that is spent watching television. Paediatricians are crying out that we face an epidemic of juvenile obesity and poor fitness; teachers are bemoaning the lack of imagination shown in original work. And both of them will tell you that children raised with minimal TV are relatively immune to both syndromes.

On the flip side, if you've just gotten home from 8 hours of work plus a commute, and picked up your child at the daycare, and come into a cold dark house where you need to START getting dinner on the table and are doing the daily clean-up as you go, there's no question that having an alternative to entertain your child while you prepare supper is a godsend. I kept a tape of a few favourite low-key shows sans advertisments -- things like the Ringo Starr "Island of Sodor" shows, "Thomas Tugboat", and even a couple of Barney episodes; and played ONE for Anne on returning to the house to help us transitioning. Later, when Rachel was a toddler, I had a neighbour girl come in for half an hour before supper to fold diapers and play with the children. When I say "Brandy is better than television", I'm not expressing an incipient alcoholism, I'm expressing how much healthier it is to have a living breathing human being for companionship than to rely on broadcast companionship.

I don't see any reason to ban TV completely. But some good groundrules would be, limit TV to some small number of shows a day; pick the shows ahead of time; and intentionally turn the TV on just before one starts and off as soon as it ends. That way it won't become your children's default alternative to having a life (which I define as human companions, tree-climbing, active play, household chores, and imaginative play).

You also won't have to go through the transition I go through every two weeks when my part-time children arrive. 11 days out of 14, they have the TV on for nearly all their at-home waking hours. Then they arrive here, where the TV is occasionally on for a special on Saturday evening, but we're usually to busy. They are like bored little stumps for the first two hours"

"Auntie, can we watch TV?"
"Nope. Why don't you go see what Anne and Rachel are doing. Or, you could fill a bucket with apples for me, or you could play with the dress-up"
"I don' wanna."

10 minutes pass.

"Auntie, I'm bored. Can we watch TV?"
"Nope. There's lego on the toy shelf. Or you can take a hose and spray down the windows outside. Or I think the girls are making up a play -- maybe you can be the Prince.
"I don' wanna."

10 minutes pass.

"Auntie, I'm bored. Can we watch TV?..."

(repeat 5 or 6 times) ... then ...

Gradually, I realize 30 minutes have passed with no interruptions. Suddenly, one or both part-time children burst into the room.

"Auntie!We-made-up-a-play-and-we-want-you-to-watch-it-and-can-we-have-some- paper-to-make-a-backdrop-but-first-we-want-to-climb-the-apple-tree-so-can- we-have-a-bucket-and-I-need-my-helmet-cause-Anne-said-I-can-ride-her-bike- where-are-the-crayons?"

And from then on typically no-one mentions TV again.

The teachers at the girls' school tell me that they can tell, just from the way children interact and play, and from the content of their creative work, which children are reared in the typical way with the TV on as background entertainment, and which ones are reared with no or minimal TV.

In later school years, though, many Civics assignments involve watching TV, and English teachers may try to make their assignments "relevant" by referring to popular TV programmes. For children like mine, who have never seen an episode of "Survivor" or "American Idol", that could be a bit alienating. Fortunately (and perhaps relatedly) however, my children are also quite capable of explaining lucidly to a teacher that, while they don't know anything about "Lost", they do know the entire libretto of Nutcracker and most of Giselle, and would happily translate the assignment to a more valuable idiom than TV. I've never had a teacher insist that the girls do their work around TV instead of classical ballet or literature (and if they did so insist, they'd probably lose the argument in the end. They're educating MY children, after all, and I'm the one ultimately responsible for my children's schooling. Most teachers seem to understand that.)

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  9/21/2006 10:48 pm

When my children were young we didn't have cable so they only watched occassional PBS shows and a handful of VHS tapes. In general now we have no tv on weekdays for children other than the morning news and movies of some shows on weekends. I do tape two shows a week that we watch together on Friday evenings unless we have a movie we want to watch; Friday is homemade pizza and movie night.

I do have concerns with commercials building a false sense of NEED in people who watch and I find fault with many "kid shows" on Disney and Nick which portray romantic relationships in young children or that show this sort of behaviour as normal when it is not among the children we know. On tv often children in 4th grade have boyfriends and girlfriends while most of the children we know have just friends.

My son is a movie and play fan and we watch a lot of stuff together and then discuss it.

I agree with Pamela that it was very helpful to have a buffer zone of activity when I needed to start things...now I send them to their rooms to read. ;-)

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  9/28/2006 3:26 pm

Yes. I still do monitor everything they watch..... When we are at home.... As you know I can only control what they watch at home. But at school it's diffrent..... I have written my concerns to the teacher and office to the schools where my children attend classes. But That's about as far as I can go there. My kids however are pretty good at telling me what they watch at school or if they are planning to watch something at school that they may think it's inappropriate they will tell me themselves..... In Advance

Since they were 2 yrs old. I carefully Monitored everything..... Now they are 13 & 12 yrs old. And know what is and what is not exceptable..... And they know also That the Rule is That If I can't watch it then they can't and If They can't Watch it Then I can't. No exceptions..... This also applys for Music, and Reading Books.... Now my kids have tried to push the envelope and I take the Tv away.... It's that simple. No Chances. They deal with that for a week. some times two. The longest I have taken it away from them is about 6-10 months. And since then I haven't had any problems with them watching anything their not suppose to be watching.... The Funny thing is this..... They aren't watching anything that Is wrong like Porn or violence or stuff like that..... They watch shows that are on the Disney channel & Cartoon network and The Family Channel that I consider are not appropriate for their current age..... If I see that they are watching shows that have kids it that are about 14-17yrs of age as main charecters then I have them change it or I turn it off.... Certain cartoons Also.... If they complain or don't like it. I take the TV away. If they say awwww as kids do...then change it. I'm ok with that... I let my kids have their say for the most part. But in the end It's Me.
You have to let them express them selves to some extense. Just not over board. Always stay in control. And above all Be Dilligent.....

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Stay away from the news channels. It's been my experience that the most inappropriate, objectionable content is blared from the all-news (and news and commentary) channels 24/7. It's even worse (IMO) than network show promos.

As for the kids' channels, the relentless marketing will drive you crazy. My kids are older (16, 13 and 8), so I can't think of anything on the kids' channels that's objectionable, except for the incessant commercials. It introduces them to products you probably wish they remained clueless about.

With very young children, DVDs/videos are your best bet. You control the content and the duration of viewing, and you don't have to deal with the relentless marketing of toys, games, videos, etc. It's my understanding that even "Sesame Street" has product sponsors now, and that's a shame. When my kids were very young, that's pretty much all I let them watch.

BTW, I love the little Hokie 'jersey' your little guy is wearing in that photo. ;-) (No, I didn't go there but a very good friend of mine did.)

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