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Is the school right to punish students for things that they do off school grounds, off school time, and not related to school activities?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33554218/ns/us_news-education//

Racy MySpace pics spark school lawsuit

Summer vacation lingerie-and-lollipop photos were posted on MySpace
The Associated Press
updated 3:39 p.m. CT, Fri., Oct . 30, 2009

INDIANAPOLIS - Two sophomore girls have sued their school district after they were punished for posting sexually suggestive photos on MySpace during their summer vacation.

The American Civil Liberties Union, in a federal lawsuit filed last week on behalf of the girls, argues that Churubusco High School violated the girls' free speech rights when it banned them from extracurricular activities for a joke that didn't involve the school. They say the district humiliated the girls by requiring them to apologize to an all-male coaches' board and undergo counseling.

Some child advocates argue that schools should play a role in monitoring students' behavior, especially when dealing with minors. And the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that students can be disciplined for activities that happen outside of school, so long as the school can prove the activities were disruptive or posed a danger and that it was foreseeable the activities would find their way to campus.

But some legal experts say that in this digital era, schools must accept that students will engage in some questionable behavior in cyberspace and during off hours.

"From the standpoint of young people, there's no real distinction between online life and offline life," said John Palfrey, a Harvard University law professor and co-director of the Berkman Center for Internet and Society. "It's just life."

'Disruptive influence'
In the Indiana case, the ACLU argues that the district and Churubusco Principal Austin Couch went too far in banning the two sophomores from fall sports, requiring them to apologize to the all-male coaches' board and undergo counseling after the photographs were circulated at school.

The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Fort Wayne, names Couch, the high school and the district as defendants and seeks unspecified damages. No hearing has been scheduled.

Erik Weber, an attorney for the Smith-Green school district, said Couch was enforcing the northeast Indiana school's athletic code, which allows the principal to bar from school activities any student-athlete whose behavior in or out of school "creates a disruptive influence on the discipline, good order, moral or educational environment at Churubusco High School."

Martha McCarthy, who teaches educational law and policy at Indiana University, said courts have upheld such policies, but that the issue could come to a head as advances in technology bring more out-of-school behavior issues to light.

"I think the Supreme Court's going to have to address this," she said.

ACLU legal director Ken Falk insists the Churubusco case doesn't warrant the punishment the district handed out.

"We all did things when we were sophomores in high school that can be construed as immature or problematic or whatever, but that is not the issue here," he said. "The issue is what possible impact this could have on the school environment, and the answer is none."

Summer sleepover
The girls, identified only by their initials in the suit, took the photos during a sleepover with friends before school started this summer and posted them on their MySpace pages, setting the privacy controls so only those designated as friends could view them. In the photos, the girls wore lingerie and pretended to lick a penis-shaped lollipop. None of the photos made any reference to the school.

Weber declined to say how the photos reached Couch, but the suit contends that someone copied the pictures and shared them with school officials, and they eventually were given to the principal.

Couch initially suspended both girls from all extracurricular activities for the year but reduced the penalty to 25 percent of fall semester activities after the girls completed three counseling sessions and apologized to the coaches board.

Palfrey, the Harvard professor, said privacy on social networking sites is an illusion, even if strict privacy controls are set.

Rick Hills, a New York University School of Law professor, said most courts have found that simply being able to access questionable material on campus is generally not sufficient proof that an activity was disruptive. But he acknowledged courts have a long tradition of deferring to administrative agencies that make their own rules.

No privacy in cyberspace?
Teens who have done similar things in some states have faced prosecution, said Beverly Johnson, an Irvine, Calif., attorney who serves on the board of Web Wise Kids, a nonprofit, online safety group. A 14-year-old New Jersey girl was arrested on child pornography charges in March for posting nude pictures of herself on MySpace. The charges were later dropped after she agreed to counseling.

Other students have been expelled from school or lost scholarships, Johnson said.

The ACLU argues that the Indiana case is different. They say the photos were a joke intended to be shared only with friends. It wants the school district to expunge all references to the incident from school records and seeks to bar the school from taking similar action in the future.

"The problem is there's a line drawn. And the line is drawn as things that disrupt the school. And outside of that, the school has no say," Falk said.

"Imagine if everything teens texted back and forth to friends became fodder for school discipline."

Palfrey, of Harvard, said schools have a right to regulate students' online behavior but said the court will have to decide whether the students' First Amendment rights were violated.

"The fact that it took place in cyberspace instead of in a classroom doesn't mean you don't enforce the rule," he said.

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That is crazy.  This is a case when the girl's parents should be making the decisions.  I understand the school getting involved if threats are made online.  I understand when "unbecoming behavior" is happening during the school year, during the kid's sports season etc...I also know that the school doesn't take the time to monitor the internet for bad kids so that this stuff is being brought to the attention of the school by someone.  I think the school needs to do a better job of sitting back, remembering their own youth, remembering that the internet is not necessary for kids to have reputations etc...

These girls did a stupid thing.  They thought they were protecting themselves by using the privacy settings.  It just goes to show you that you shouldn't do things that you will regret if people find out...oh well...

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The lack of privacy laws in the US is appalling. Worse the person or persons who stole the pics will not be punished. Although it is illegal if it is in/on a personal computer to the best of my knowledge no state or federal statue cover this type of activity.
It is bad when we have to self censure everything we communicate so some one will not use it against us. There is no freedom just fear and slavery to myths.
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What I'm not clear in, is why did the girls have to apologize to the coaches? Does this mean the girls were usually involved with team activities? Does being involved with team activities involve signing a zero tolerance, conduct contract, for on and off campus activities?

I ask, because one of our local, varsity, girls basketball teams, had a sleepover, drank alchohol, took suggestive pictures, posted them privately on myspace, etc. and ended up getting the entire basketball season cancelled for them. There was a big hue and cry, lawyers, yada, yada. But because the parents and kids had signed behavioral contracts, they lost. Zero tolerance counted for time off campus too. It didn't mean, you just didn't drink booze at games. It meant all the time. It didn't just mean not posing in your underwear at games. It meant all the time. Some teams practice through the summer and continue to be representatives of the school. No, the school doesen't own them. But for the honor of representing the school on a team, they are expected to hold certain standards.

I'm still suprised, with the number and frequency of incidents like this that make national news, that EVERY single kid that chats doesen't KNOW, perfectly well that nothing they put out there is "private." These kids parents let them down by not making this perfectly clear the day they put a cell phone in their hand or let them set up an email, facebook or myspace page. The girls let themselves down for shutting out information about the LACK of privacy on the internet in "the age of information." Their "private" lives did make it to campus and cause disruption. I'm not sure what kind of action the school should take. But they ought to do something, to let other students know that smutty pictures of each other, circulating campus, won't be tolerated as a regualarity, even if "they didn't mean to." Having it happen often, reallly isn't going to foster an environment of learning.

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Actually, child pornography laws could probably be applied to this one.  If they are applying child pornography laws to the possession and distribution of suggestive pictures via cell phones, I would think the same laws could be applied to the girls who posted the pictures online, as well as the person who "stole" them.

What this example points out is just what I've been saying on the thread about employers checking up on potential employees via facebook.... if you don't want it to be seen by someone you maybe want to have a good impression of you, don't post it to begin with.  Because once it's out there, you loose control over who sees it, who passes it on, and who may use it against you.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of the hundreds of "friends" these girls have on MySpace doesn't have a parent who checks up on things, printed out the pictures and gave them to the school.  The downside of having a couple of hundred "friends" on a social networking  site is that there is no way that anyone can absolutely trust all of the people that they "friend" - because a lot of those "friends" are merely aquaintences, if that.

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