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I grew up with a single mom that made less than 35k a year.  I had to work through HS and pay for my college, anyone else?  I also worked and studied for graduate school at night.  I would have much rather been having children in my 20s, but felt this was the way for me to go. 

Read the comments in red, 'take from the affluent and give to the young'....No wonder liberals don't have a problem with medicare cuts.

http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2009/1101_opportunity_sawhill_haskins.aspx

Tuesday November 3, 2009

Five Myths About Our Land of Opportunity

Economic Mobility, Children & Families, U.S. Poverty, U.S. Economy

Isabel V. Sawhill, Senior Fellow, Economic Studies
Ron Haskins, Senior Fellow, Economic Studies

Americans have always believed that their country is unique in providing the opportunity to get ahead. Just combine hard work with a bit of talent and you'll climb the ladder—or so we've told ourselves for generations. But rising unemployment and financial turmoil are puncturing that self-image. The reality of this "land of opportunity" is considerably more complex than the myths would suggest:
 
1. Americans enjoy more economic opportunity than people in other countries.

Actually, some other advanced economies offer more opportunity than ours does. For example, recent research shows that in the Nordic countries and in the United Kingdom, children born into a lower-income family have a greater chance than those in the United States of forming a substantially higher-income family by the time they're adults.

If you are born into a middle-class family in the United States, you have a roughly even chance of moving up or down the ladder by the time you are an adult. But the story for low-income Americans is quite different; going from rags to riches in a generation is rare. Instead, if you are born poor, you are likely to stay that way. Only 35 percent of children in a family in the bottom fifth of the income scale will achieve middle-class status or better by the time they are adults; in contrast, 76 percent of children from the top fifth will be middle-class or higher as adults.

The United States is exceptional, however, in the opportunity it offers to immigrants, who tend to do comparatively well here. Their wages are much higher than what they might have earned in their home countries. And even if their pay is initially low by American standards, their children advance quite rapidly.

2. In the United States, each generation does better than the past one.

As a result of economic growth, each generation can usually count on having a higher income, in inflation-adjusted dollars, than the previous one. For example, men born in the 1960s were earning more in the 1990s than their fathers' generation did at a similar age, and their families' incomes were higher as well. But that kind of steady progress appears to have stalled. Today, men in their 30s earn 12 percent less than the previous generation did at the same age.

The main reason today's families have modestly higher overall income than prior generations is simple: More members of the household are working. Women have joined the labor force in a big way, and their earnings have increased as well. But with so many families now having two earners, continued progress along this path will be difficult unless wages for both men and women rise more quickly.

3. Immigrant workers and the offshoring of jobs drive poverty and inequality in the United States.

Although immigration and trade are often blamed, a more important reason for our lack of progress against poverty and our growing inequality is a dramatic change in American family life. Almost 30 percent of children now live in single-parent families, up from 12 percent in 1968. Since poverty rates in single-parent households are roughly five times as high as in two-parent households, this shift has helped keep the poverty rate up; it climbed to 13.2 percent last year. If we had the same fraction of single-parent families today as we had in 1970, the child poverty rate would probably be about 30 percent lower than it is today.

Among women under age 30, more than half of all births now occur outside marriage, driving up poverty and leading to more intellectual, emotional and social problems among children.

In addition, we have seen a growing tendency among well-educated men and women to marry each other, exacerbating income disparities. If we add to these family changes the fact that wages for low-skilled workers have stagnated or declined in recent decades, we can explain most of the increase in poverty and much of the increase in the income gap as well.

4. If we want to increase opportunities for children, we should give their families more income.

Of course money is a factor in upward mobility, but it isn't the only one; it may not even be the most important. Our research shows that if you want to avoid poverty and join the middle class in the United States, you need to complete high school (at a minimum), work full time and marry before you have children. If you do all three, your chances of being poor fall from 12 percent to 2 percent, and your chances of joining the middle class or above rise from 56 to 74 percent. (We define middle class as having an income of at least $50,000 a year for a family of three.)

Many American families need supplements to their incomes in the form of food stamps, affordable housing and welfare payments. But such aid should not be given unconditionally. First, the public is concerned that unconditional assistance will end up supporting those who are not trying to help themselves. Second, new research in economics and psychology has shown that individuals frequently behave in ways that undermine their long-term welfare and can benefit from a government nudge in the right direction.

And third, policies with strings attached have had considerable success. One example is the 1996 welfare reform law, which required most adult recipients to get jobs, and dramatically increased employment and lowered overall child poverty. In the midst of a recession, we can't expect everyone to work. But social policies will be more successful if they encourage people to do things that bring longer-term success.

5. We can fund new programs to boost opportunity by cutting waste and abuse in the federal budget.

Can we cut enough ineffective programs or impose enough new taxes to put better teachers in classrooms, expand child-care assistance for working families and provide more financial aid to disadvantaged students while reducing projected deficits? The answer is a resounding no. Certainly, we should eliminate fraud, waste and abuse; raise new revenues; and scrub the budget for additional savings. But these alone won't get the job done. Just three rapidly growing programs - Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid - along with interest on the debt threaten to crowd out all other spending in a few decades.

So we also need to revise the contract between the generations in a way that gradually reallocates resources from the more affluent elderly to struggling younger families and their children. Such a shift would not only help create more opportunity, it would improve the productivity of the next generation, making its members better able to contribute to the costs of retirement - including their own. >>>>>

Why is it that if I don't live "within my means", there are serious consequences (bankruptcy) for which I am solely responsible, but when the government doesn't live within its means, I am expected to bail it out?

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That is the most ridiculous article I have ever read. Using their logic I can say that seat belts cause accidents. More than ~70% of accidents involve someone wearing a seat belt!

That article does hint at the decline in family values but doesn't out right say it. It also hints at generational bondage i.e. the feeling that a generation can't do any better than their parents. It also hints at poor education but fails to address it. The number one thing it fails to address is individual initiative, yet it hints at it. Why on earth does the author think immigrants fare better than natural born citizens? Perhaps because immigrants better understand the opportunities before them while the natives fail to grasp that concept because all they've ever known is the "good life". Yes our poor citizens fare better than the middle class of many countries.

What a ridiculous piece of analysis.

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I couldn't agree with you more.  I have actually been hiring many workers this year.  These are for computer specialties starting at about 60k going through about 150k.  You would not believe the number of people that believe those salaries are beneath them because they were making a higher value.  IMO, something is better than nothing when trying to support a family.  The kicker is, if they know the salary, they will withdraw their application, because not accepting the job would cut their unemployment????

I have filled many of the positions with people from other countries, who are here legally, becoming US citizens, or with a working Visa.

The other issue is that the US has the worst tax incentives for companies out of most other countries.  Why would a company not find work there if there are the skills?  We didn't focus on keeping jobs here with the stimulus, we instead wasted another 787 billion dollars.

The sad thing is that the 'poor me' attitude will only be advanced by articles like this one.

Why is it that if I don't live "within my means", there are serious consequences (bankruptcy) for which I am solely responsible, but when the government doesn't live within its means, I am expected to bail it out?

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I can't help but wonder if "Today, men in their 30s earn 12 percent less than the previous generation did at the same age" because of the growing sense of entitlement created by our government. Why work hard when survival doesn't depend on it? Personal responsibility and good work ethic are gradually disappearing.

I was appalled when I started teaching 8+ years ago. The attitude and work ethic of the students was depressing. I talked to one of my high school teachers shortly after I started teaching that first year and I asked her, "Mrs. L, is it just that I'm teaching affluent, lazy kids, or are kids these days lazy?" She kind of sighed and said, "Susan, it gets worse every passing year. What I wouldn't give for another class from your generation, who are willing to work hard and struggle through concepts to really learn."

And you know what? I bet that teachers who taught in the 70's and early 80's felt the same way about my generation of students. They probably thought we were lazy compared to previous generations.

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So we also need to revise the contract between the generations in a way that gradually reallocates resources from the more affluent elderly to struggling younger families and their children.

Oh choice!  What the "world" misses today is that it isn't the accumulation of wealth that brings the greatest reward...it's the struggle to gain that wealth. 

I know several "self-made" millionaires.   Are they happy that they are wealthy?   Yes.   But, at the same time ...They will all say some of their happiest days were when they were struggling to attain that wealth.

But everything I have, from my furniture, my car and the clothes on my back, I have worked for!   All my "possessions"  have given me MORE satisfaction when I was struggling to gain them, rather than now - in possessing them.     Why would I want to refuse my children or any young family that satisfaction or confidence builder?

ACK!   This world view of what's fair is absolutely upside down and inside out.  

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