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<<<

http://mainstreamparenting.wordpress.com/2008/02/27/big-ol-list-of-links-about-cio-part-i/

http://mainstreamparenting.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/big-ol-list-of-links-about-cio-part-ii/

>>>

One thing to note about all the links and studies on these pages... all of them deal with "does CIO WORK", not "is CIO SAFE".  No one is disputing whether or not it has the desired effect, because it obviously does in many if not most cases, the real question is, are there potential risks from CIO that may outweigh the benefits of the method? Are there studies that show the long-term effects of CIO or that can measure the point at which it may potentially cause damage? Are there risk factors that may make one infant more susceptable to harm from CIO than another? What signs can you look for to see if harm is in fact occurring? These links/studies do not address the issue of safety at all, they are mainly focused on the potential benefits of the method. (babies sleep longer, relieves parental sleep deprivation)  

If CIO were a drug, there would be clinical studies done to determine the physical effects and potential risks, at what dosage level it causes harm (overdose), and other factors relating to it's safety before it could be approved for doctors to prescribe it or parents to use it.   Most parents would not even consider giving their child an untested drug, but CIO is essentially that.... a method that has been "tested" for efficacy (whether or not it works) but not safety. You will not find a drug that is considered 100% "safe", nor will you find one that does not have a specific recommended dosage, yet CIO is often recommended with an unlimited "dosage" and apparently no studies have been done to determine if it is in fact safe at ANY level.  Just because a dozen studies show that it "works" doesn't mean it is SAFE or has no side effects. These are two separate issues.

 

 

 

 

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They were NOT all solely about whether CIO works. Please do not make untrue statement about my links and then talk about why those untrue statements are bad. Let's keep this real, ok?

"Actually, there have been studies which assessed the 'emotional or psychological impact on the developing child' of controlled crying"

”The most controversial aspect of behaviour modification studies is recommending that families leave their infants to cry while “learning” to fall asleep alone. This study found no differences in mean hours of crying between the intervention and control groups.”

”Before intervention, the sleep-disturbed children were rated as more insecure than a matched comparison group with unknown sleep behaviour. This difference was eliminated after the interventions. The more anxious the children were rated before intervention, the more they tended to benefit from it.”

"There was no evidence of detrimental effects on the treated infants whose security, emotionality/tension, and likeability scores improved."

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<<<"Actually, there have been studies which assessed the 'emotional or psychological impact on the developing child' of controlled crying">>>

Lets take a look at these studies....

<<<”The most controversial aspect of behaviour modification studies is recommending that families leave their infants to cry while “learning” to fall asleep alone. This study found no differences in mean hours of crying between the intervention and control groups.”>>>

Actually, this is exactly what I was talking about... the study focused exclusively on the outcome... amount of sleep/crying involved... NOT in the safety or potential risks associated with the method itself.  The conclusions of the study were that controlled crying "improves sleep performance at 6 weeks of age".   (six weeks???)  Comparing "hours of crying" really doesn't say anything about the health of the child.

<<<”Before intervention, the sleep-disturbed children were rated as more insecure than a matched comparison group with unknown sleep behaviour. This difference was eliminated after the interventions. The more anxious the children were rated before intervention, the more they tended to benefit from it.”>>>

This study was performed solely on the basis of parental observation... in other words, how did the parents view the situation before and after. (Sleep diaries, visual analogue scales (VAS) on daytime behaviour and the Flint Infant Security scale, completed by parents, were used as instruments. Parents also completed VAS scales and the Swedish Parenthood Stress Questionnaire scales on their own well-being.)  This does not address the question of long-term damage or other potential risk factors, it is more of a "customer satisfaction survey" than a study on the safety of the method. "Do you think your child did better after CIO?  Yes." (sleep diaries, FIS scale) "On a scale of 1-10, does he seem more or less anxious to you?" (VAS scale)  "Were you happier after CIO? Yes"  (Swedish Parenthood Stress Questionaire)  There were no medical or psychological tests administered by health professionals to assess infant health.

<<<"There was no evidence of detrimental effects on the treated infants whose security, emotionality/tension, and likeability scores improved.">>>

"Measured and compared the behavior characteristics and security scores of 35 infants (6-24 months) treated with extinction for sleep disturbance with those of 13 untreated and 15 normal sleep controls."

Aside from being statistically insignificant due to such a small study group with such a wide age range ( a 6mo is a lot different than a 2yo!), consider the criteria listed.  "Likeability scores"?  In other words, they are looking for OUTCOMES, is sleep training doing what we want it to do... it does not address the potential risks involved.  Babies in this small study slept better, were happier, more "likeable", and didn't show any obvious outward signs of major issues.  This does not measure anything medical... no measuring hormone levels, no heartrate or breathing monitors, no medical work-up of any kind, just "they look ok, so it must not be doing any damage".   The same could be said of giving a baby a sedative to help them sleep... odds are they would get the same results... but at least then the idea of risk would be addressed. (this sedative could have "x" negative side effects, must be taken in this dosage, if your child has "x" reaction notify your physician)

There are NO well conducted, controlled medical studies that show the physical and psychological effects of extended or long-term crying in infants of any age.  Related studies do point to the potential of long-term psychological issues from this kind of crying due to documentable physical changes in the brain. 

Another thing to consider, the definition of "CIO" is very subjective.  Dr. Weissbluth recommends letting babies cry indefinitely (4 hours or more) *unattended* until they stop.  The studies listed here describe "controlled crying", specifically checking on babies every 5, 10, 15 minutes with a definite limit to the crying.  There is no way to compare the two variations of this method and assume they will have the same outcomes when they are essentially different.  A child who is attended to frequently is going to be at a much lower risk of attachment issues than one who is left unattended to cry for hours, or for long periods every night for weeks. 

 

 

 

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  3/26/2009 12:19 pm

Here's a bit more...

Definitely an anti-CIO bias, but a nice summary of the extinction studies that have been done. Also brings up the point that parental reports of sleep improvement may not be the most reliable indicator (placebo effect?), yet is often the main source of data for infant sleep studies.

http://talaris.org/pdf/research/CIOPoster.pdf

Summary of the research on co-sleeping vs CIO methods, and a look at both the books on the subjects and the research. Less bias, more focus on what we don't know relating to infant sleep.

http://www.journalsleep.org/Articles/291212.pdf

Two research studies on behavioral outcomes for the CIO method, PP mentioned these studies, the ones which saw behavioral improvements after CIO.

http://jpepsy.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/17/4/467
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119921874/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

Review articles of sleep intervention methods - Ferber, full CIO, scheduled wakings, etc.

http://jpepsy.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/24/6/465
http://www.pediatric.theclinics.com/article/S0031-3955(03)00174-3/abstract

If you have trouble accessing any of the articles, I can always PM them to you, so let me know. Good luck with your research. There's a lot of information out there, but drawing conclusions from it all can be a challenge.

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