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"But why, WHY use donated sperm AND a donated egg to make a child that won't be biologically yours when there are so many children out there who need a home? "

Seriously? I'm trying to keep my composure here... but has it occurred to you that people who select both donations want to experience pregnancy and birth? It doesn't matter if that child isn't biologically theirs it will be carried in a womb, and have a delivery like a biological child. A lot of people aren't equipped to handle the issues associated with an older child being adopted, and have you even considered requirements of adoption through Childrens Aid Society (basically children of the ward)?  Have you seen pricing of international/private adoptions?  People throw around the statement "there are so many unwanted children in the world you should adopt!" thinking it's a simple thing. Did you know in private adoptions mothers have 30 days after the child has been placed to change their mind and take their child back?  How horrifying would that be?  Some people aren't willing to take that chance!

from Canadaadopts.com: "Most private adoptions, on the other hand, range from about $15,000-$25,000 (for a child born in Canada) to about $25,000-$50,000+ (for a child born in the United States or overseas)."

this is a clip from an article in Macleans regarding international adoption from China.. a country that used to have the simplest adoption policy:

As it's become easier for some Chinese to adopt, China has been making it harder for foreigners to do the same. The CCAA issued a long list of new rules for PAPs on May 1, 2007: adoption is open only to straight married couples; partners must be between 30 and 50 with $80,000 in assets. Any PAP with a body mass index above 40, medically controlled depression or any number of slightly random medical issues including facial deformity and blindness in one eye, need not apply. Suddenly, fat people, gays and lesbians and singles were locked out. Chinese officials said they were trying to stem the backlog of waiting families, and place their children in the most "suitable" situations possible, limiting risk for their futures.

Ok.. rant over... lol...

<Seriously? I'm trying to keep my composure here... but has it occurred to you that people who select both donations want to experience pregnancy and birth? It doesn't matter if that child isn't biologically theirs it will be carried in a womb, and have a delivery like a biological child.>

Yes, that's seriously how I feel. And yes, that has occurred to me. I just don't happen to agree.

<Have you seen pricing of international/private adoptions?>

This is where we part ways socially speaking. Adoption is free in the UK.

<Did you know in private adoptions mothers have 30 days after the child has been placed to change their mind and take their child back? How horrifying would that be? Some people aren't willing to take that chance!>

Again, it's different here. A colleague of mine fosters babies. The setup is that they go to the foster home first, and then either back to the birth parent or on to the adoptive parent. This avoids the situation you're referring to.

Maybe we just have a better set up here *shrug*. Perhaps after taking care of your healthcare, the President will turn his attention to your adoption system.

~This is where we part ways socially speaking. Adoption is free in the UK.~

Here (where bitter and I are both from), adoption is free through social services, and like the UK (and USA) we have long waiting lists for infants, but many other children available.

Like the UK there are fees for international adoption:

"You will have to pay the relevant fees to the agency, which can be over £6,000, and possibly a fee to the authorities in the child’s country of origin."

http://bemyparent.org.uk/info-for-families/your-questions/can-i-adopt-from-abroad,224,AR.html

http://www.adoption.org.uk/information/cost_of_adoption.html .

My understanding is that the difference between our countries in re: to adoption lies mostly in re: to frees of private agencies. Many of the private agencies in Canada (and the USA also btw) charge quite a bit for domestic adoption, but yours don't charge for domestic adoption as far as I know.

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