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Maybe we need some type of personal disaster insurance.  It seems that medical bills and other costs associated with severe illness play a roll in 62% of bankruptcies.   And...that 78% of bankruptcy filers WERE insured:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-medical-bankruptcy4-2009jun04,0,4193398.story

Medical bills play a role in 62% of bankruptcies, study says

as of 04:03PM ET 6/4/2009

Findings by Harvard researchers show that medical-related bankruptcies have increased from 55% in 2001. The report could boost Obama's bid for healthcare reforms.

By Lisa Girion
June 4, 2009
President Obama's push for healthcare reforms gets a boost today from a new study by Harvard University researchers that shows a sizable increase over six years in bankruptcies caused in part by ever-higher medical expenses.

The study found that medical bills, plus related problems such as lost wages for the ill and their caregivers, contributed to 62% of all bankruptcies filed in 2007. On the campaign trail last year and in the White House this year, Obama had cited an earlier study by the same authors showing that such expenses played a part in 55% of bankruptcies in 2001.

 
Medical insurance isn't much help, either. About 78% of bankruptcy filers burdened by healthcare expenses were insured, according to the survey, to be published in the August issue of the American Journal of Medicine.

"Health insurance is not a guarantee that illness won't bankrupt you," said Steffie Woolhandler, one of the authors, a practicing physician and an associate medical professor at Harvard.

"Lots of health insurance comes with big co-payments, deductibles and uncovered services," she said. "So you can be insured and still end up with big bills. At the same time, even if you have good insurance through your employer, you can lose it if you get sick and can't work."

Most people who filed medical-related bankruptcies "were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit," the study says. Two-thirds were homeowners, and most had gone to college.

The study does not suggest that medical expenses were the sole cause for these bankruptcies, but it does identify them as a contributing factor. The increase in such filings occurred despite a 2005 law aimed at making it more difficult for individuals to seek court protection from creditors.

And the latest study probably understates the current burden of medical expenses because it is based on bankruptcies filed before the recession hit.

The findings by a team of Harvard researchers from the law and medical schools are expected to help fuel the debate over what type of healthcare system is right for the U.S.

In a letter Wednesday, Obama made another push for a healthcare overhaul, reiterating his concern about the financial burden the current system places on families and businesses.

"Soaring healthcare costs make our current course unsustainable," he wrote in the letter to Sens. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Max Baucus (D-Mont.), who are leading efforts to develop healthcare legislation. "It is unsustainable for our families, whose spiraling premiums and out-of-pocket expenses are pushing them into bankruptcy and forcing them to go without the checkups and prescriptions they need."

Momentum has been growing in Congress for healthcare reform. Such change can't come soon enough for Mary McCurnin.

She and her husband, Ron, filed for bankruptcy and nearly lost their home near Sacramento after a series of medical crises, including her breast cancer and his open-heart surgery. Ron, 63, lost his insurance coverage when the company providing it lost its California license after paying 10% of his hospital bills. Mary, 59, managed to get on Medi-Cal after they "went broke."

Despite the ordeal, she said, the self-employed illustrators feel fortunate that they survived and managed to hang on to their home. "The healthcare industry is killing people," she said. "There's no other way to put it. We just got lucky."

Linda and Jeffrey Somach pay $800 a month for health insurance. But the Staten Island, N.Y., couple filed for bankruptcy a month ago when their out-of-pocket medical expenses surpassed $40,000.

Linda Somach, a psychologist, can earn $80,000 a year if she sees patients full time. But she had to scale back to care for Jeffrey, who has terminal brain cancer. That reduced their income. At the same time, she is constantly getting bills for out-of-network charges, deductibles and medical care that their insurance doesn't cover.

"We put so much of the medical stuff on credit cards," she said. "My patients do it too."

The study suggests that such plights are routine.

Woolhandler is on the board of Physicians for a National Health Program, a group that advocates for a single-payer system, in which government, not private insurers, brokers healthcare. She said the study showed that private insurers had failed in their core mission: protecting consumers from financial ruin in the event of a medical crisis.

"We need to rethink health reform," Woolhandler said. "Covering the uninsured isn't enough. Reform also needs to help families who already have insurance by upgrading their coverage and assuring they never lose it."

A spokesman for private insurers said the industry recognized that uncovered and expensive medical care imposed a burden on families and businesses. But he said that private insurers were in a better position to rein in spiraling medical costs and that the industry had a plan for protecting people from being forced into bankruptcy over medical expenses not covered by insurance.

"In fact, in our comprehensive reform proposal we recommended in December that Congress should look at an out-of-pocket spending cap and a system of tax credits for low-income people," Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America's Health Insurance Plans, a Washington, D.C.-based trade group.

"If an individual's health expenses reached a certain level, there could be tax credits or other assistance to help those individuals," he said.

The study found that medical-related bankruptcy filers with private insurance reported average medical bills of $17,749. By comparison, people who filed for bankruptcy without insurance reported average medical expenses of $26,971.

Individuals with diabetes and neurological disorders, such as multiple sclerosis, had the highest medical bills, averaging $26,971 for those with insurance and $34,167 for those without. Hospital bills were the largest expense for about half the families that filed health-related bankruptcies.>>>
 

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Can you buy that now?  I have been looking into that, but haven't seen anything.
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I don't think so, but it would be a good thing to have - some insurance that covers large personal loss. In terms of my family's cars and our house, we have added an umbrella policy - just in case. That is probably what we need to cover the costs associated with illness/injury above and beyond what medical insurance would pay. The article indicated that loss of work due to illness could be a real problem, and I know that disability insurance could help there. Right now, I don't have disability insurance, but my DH does. It would replace a percentage of his income if he couldn't work. That would be helpful, but if we had a massive loss due to a heart attack or stroke, I don't know if we'd lose medical insurance if my DH was too ill to work, went on disability and had to pay the full nearly $1100 per month for healthcare insurance plus our very large deductibles plus our copayments plus any amounts that are above and beyond the maximum limit on the healthcare insurance policy.
 

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My dad carried catastrophic care for my sister while she was not working and too old for his policy, it was around 150 a month and covered anything over 5k. 

Currently I know of two families that have a plan similar to this and then just pay out of pocket for doctor visits.  They have done it a couple of years and are making out better than an HMO or PPO. 

I believe many people just don't know where to get the best coverage.

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An umbrella policy typically covers liability in excess of your underlying insurance....i.e. homeowners and auto.

It doesn't cover medical bills in excess of your health insurance policy. Now it might cover bills associated with automobile accident if the underlying limits were exceeded but I don't think it does....but it might. Just wanted to point out that an umbrella policy is to protect you in the case of "liability" on your part.

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